Neither I Monkey Nor My Father Monkey

“Hmmmm….Not really 🤔
My nephew replied while staring at the tree of evolution which he was explaining to me just a few minutes back.

His zeal turned into a deep thought suddenly when I asked him, “So, you really think we were monkeys before”.

Just a few moments ago this child was enthusiastically telling me the biggest lie taught in schools that we humans evolved from monkeys. Surprisingly, no rational mind ever accepted the Darwins theory of evolution. Nor, this bright kid 😁.

As I gave this intelligent kid a room to critically think and asked him “do u really think we evolved from monkeys”.
He said, “No”. A clear cut ‘No’.

SubhanAllaah ❤️!

Islam and all divinely revealed religions believe in the existence of Allah, the Creator, Originator, Controller and Fashioner Who has made all things well. He originally created man from an extract of clay, then He created him from a sperm-drop lodged in a safe lodging (the womb), and man remains human in his form, attributes and reason; he does not evolve or change.

“And also in your own selves [there are signs]. Will you not then see?” [adh-Dhaariyaat 51:21].

Arrrrrr 😕
No Pride. No Prejudice.
Before anybody sets any anti-science notion here…
Lemme clarify. If there is any subject that excites me most after religion then it is science.

So, let me put it before you scientifically only.

Darwin’s theory can now be shelved, after the discovery of Mendel’s laws of genetics and the discovery of genes which are the secret code of creation, and the discovery that chromosomes carry the complete physical attributes of humans and preserve the similarity in attributes of a particular species.
(I must say that it is not religion that is antiscience but this favorite theory of atheists.)

By Allaah. We are the beautiful and the best creation of Allaah as called ashraf-ul-makhlooqaat. We were never monkeys before.

By the way, monkeys are beautiful too.

Sisterly Yours
Entirely Human Never A Monkey 😉
The Might of Pen

24 Comments

  1. flawedman

    If all things had been made well the world would not be a mass of faults as well as contain so much evil and injustice.
    My long gone mother used to sing
    ‘ All things bright and beautiful
    All creatures great and small
    All things wise and wonderful
    The Lord God made them all.
    Poor old Mum she hoped the world was a completely different place from the reality.

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  2. kiabooks

    You may want to do a Google search for “chromosome number 2”. Ken Miller, a Catholic Christian, has done a great video with solid evidence of our common ancestry with the great apes as demonstrated by the fusing of two chromosomes found in apes together to become one chromosome in humans. Fascinating stuff.

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    1. themightofpen

      No Brother, I didn’t even intend to touch Darwin.
      Neither I am looking for proofs, theories & hypotheses to prove Darwin wrong. (That’s a different thing that Darwin’s theory has been refuted by many of theist as well as atheists scientists around the globe)

      As the junior sheldon said, “precision of universe makes it logical to conclude there is Creator”. If gravity was slightly higher than what it is the universe would have collapsed into a ball. If it was slightly less the universe would have flown apart.
      However, this is logic.
      And, I know logic is one thing and faith another.
      It might sound funny but…
      I do not believe in ‘nothing’ because I firmly believe in one thing, the God.
      Though logic also points towards theism, I am a theist out of faith.

      What more I can say?
      By the way, I went through a few of your writings. You write beautiful.

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    1. themightofpen

      Not too lazy to know what evolutionary theory says but definitely too lazy to reply 🙂
      Sorry for this delay.
      No brother, I do not need to rely on any ‘lies’ as the biggest truth ‘the truth of One God’ is self sustained even if the whole world refutes.
      And, definitely not the ‘wilful ignorance’ this side. There can not be any ignorance bigger than the ‘ignorance to God’.
      I want for you what I want for myself.

      Islam and all divinely revealed religions believe in the existence of Allah, the Creator, Originator, Controller and Fashioner Who has made all things well. He originally created man from an extract of clay, then He created him from a sperm drop lodged in a safe lodging (the womb), and man remains human in his form, attributes and reason; he does not evolve or change. “And also in your own selves [there are signs]. Will you not then see?” [al-Qur’an; 51:21].

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      1. clubschadenfreude

        Nope, all religions don’t believe in your version of your god. That’s the same greedy claim that Christians and other make, since you all are desperate for external validation and have to lie about what your holy books say about your selfish gods who are desperately afraid of all others.

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      2. themightofpen

        Yes. I know that all religions don’t believe in my version of God. As not all religions on earth are *divinely revealed*. Definitely, all manmade gods are lies. However, there had been many scriptures divinely revealed on Prophets & Messengers on the face of the earth, and all of them forecasted the coming of the Last Messenger and the last Scripture at the end of times. The Qur’an last and final scripture revealed is uncorrupted till date by any human attempt. It is the same letter by letter and confirms previous Messengers such as Prophet Isa (As), Prophet Abraham (AS), Prophet Noah (AS) to name a few.
        All divinely revealed scriptures are from One God, the same God of Christians, Jews & Muslims, your God and my God.
        No brother, God does not need any external validation. If you see a Christian, a Jew or anybody else…or me…desperate for validation, I am really sorry for that experience of yours.
        God, the Exalted is above all of us and self-sufficient.
        As mentioned in Qur’an,
        …But whoever turns away from this (should know that) Allah is All-Sufficient and Self-Praiseworthy.

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      3. clubschadenfreude

        Since there are no gods, no religions are “divinely revealed”. Yours is as man-made as the next, with your supposed prophet making up what he wanted his god to agree with him on. Those religions falsey claiming divine revelation also claim that each other are wrong, for the exact same reasons: no evidence. Christians don’t believe in your claims since they have no reason to believe in Mohammed.
        That people can copy a book is no evidence that it is true. IF this were so, then Dianetics is as true as the qu’ran. Like the Christian bible and the Jewish Torah, the qu’ran is the claim, not the evidence. There is nothing to support the claims we see in it, nothing outside the myths.
        “All divinely revealed scriptures are from One God, the same God of Christians, Jews & Muslims, your God and my God.” Funny, the Christians say the same thing, and only their god is the real one. But this one “real” god says your one is fake. With theists desperately claiming that their religion is backed up by facts, this indicates your gods aren’t sufficient at all. A claim of this “Allah is All-Sufficient and Self-Praiseworthy” is meaningless since you can’t show it exists at all.

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      4. themightofpen

        You are right. If you do not believe in God in the first place, how can you believe in divine revelations. And, I have no reason to talk about them.

        No brother, not all religions are manmade. I will leave it for you to research (with an open heart) what made people on earth trust their Prophets and Messengers. How to know that Prophets were true? How can we distinguish between a lying false messenger and true one? How to believe that the Quran, the Tawrat, the Injeel (Gospel), the Zaboor (Psalms), and the Scriptures of Ibrahim and Musa, were all ‘divinely revealed’ and not manmade.
        [PS. Please take into consideration that these scriptures other than Qur’an got contaminated by human interference are not the SAME today as revealed for the first time. Yes, they were as true as Qur’an. However, they were revealed for their time and era. It is like the editions of a regulatory book from the same governing body who has already released their FINAL edition and people are still sticking to old editions (making changes in them with their own hands).]

        As a true Muslim, I believe in One God who is the God of Muslims, Christians, Jews and of everybody else. Yes, I testify my belief in their books too. However, I am supposed to follow only the latest edition that is Qur’an, the final book sent to mankind.

        Last but not the least, I am not a Muslim just out of my birth in a Muslim family. I am Muslim by my heart and my mind. I did my research. You can do yours.
        I wish you all the best as I know that in the depths of every soul there is faith in God. You must have heard that there are no atheists in foxholes. May you find your path before your ship sinks.

        “Have they not travelled through the land, and have they hearts wherewith to understand and ears wherewith to hear? Verily, it is not the eyes that grow blind, but it is the hearts which are in the chests that grow blind” [al-Qur’an 22:46].

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      5. clubschadenfreude

        As usual, you have nothing to support your claims. I’ve already done the research, and yep, with an open heart, and found your words and your religion false. You see, when you falsely claim that I haven’t looked at your claims with anopen heart, you again tell a lie. You just don’t like that I disagree with you.

        You and every theistic religion make the same claims, that your prophets are true (no matter how many times they fail), and how to tell liar from a true one. Of course, a supposedly true one agrees with you and a false one doesn’t. No evidence at all for your claims of divine revelation.

        Poor Allah, he’s too incompetent to keep humans from contaminating things. What an inept god you have. Or what an imaginary god you have. Always good to see a believer insist that his versin is the final, and when you die and someone else invents another version, they’ll say the same thing.

        You are a Muslim for the same reasons every other theists claims that they are an “x”.

        Alas, you have to lie again and claim you know what is in my soul, just like Christians etc. How unoriginal. And there are plenty of atheist in foxholes. People don’t follow a useless god and a goed is very useless in a foxhole. Yep, you quote the qu’ran and it says what the Christians claim about their god in Romans 1, and I get to watch Muslims and Christians attack each other over whose imaginary friend is real, when neither of you have any evidence and won’t accept the claims of the other.

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    2. themightofpen

      1.What we see around us of the reality of things is contrary to what Darwin called the survival of the fittest. The earth, as it has gone through different stages in its long life, has been filled with the fittest and the unfit, of various kinds of animals. If Darwin’s theory was correct, then the simple, clear results of his law suggest that there should not still be living creatures that are still at the starting point, no matter how slow we may assume the progress of evolution to be. But we see that the starting point is still crowded with various weak creatures that are still living their lives, with their own characteristics, just as their ancestors also lived their lives in exactly the same manner. Conversely, we see that some highly evolved animals, such as the dinosaurs, have become extinct whilst insects such as flies and fleas still survive, as do others that are even weaker than them. The French professor Etienne Rebaud says in his book Will the Fit or the Unfit Survive? (p. 40): There is no such thing as natural selection in the course of fighting for survival, so that the strong survive and the weak diminish. For example, the garden lizard can run fast, because it has four long legs, but at the same type there are other types of lizards that have legs so short that they virtually crawl, dragging themselves along the ground with difficulty.… These types have the same physical makeup, even with regard to their legs; they eat the same food and live in the same environment. If these animals had adapted to their environment, there would not be such differences in their faculties and physical makeup.

      Contrary to the concept of natural selection, all these types of animals have survived and are still living and multiplying. For example, there are mountain rats that have short front legs and only move by jumping in a very awkward manner. Many insects cannot fly, even though they have big wings. So their physical makeup did not come about as a result of living beings trying to adapt to their circumstances. Rather, on the contrary, the way they live is shaped by their physical makeup and the way their different faculties function.

      -2-

      If evolution is always moving towards the fittest, then why do we not find the power of reasoning in many animals that are more developed and more highly evolved than others, if evolution is for the benefit of all creatures? Why did the higher primates not attain the power of reasoning as man did, for example? Donkeys, from the time when they were first known until the present, are still donkeys.

      Darwin referred to this problem in his book, but he did not answer it. Rather he commented on it in the Origin of Species (p. 412) by saying:

      No one should expect to find a specific answer to this question, especially since we know that we are unable to answer a question that is less complex than this.

      -3-

      It has been proven through research that many of the plants and animals of Egypt have not changed from the way they were many centuries ago. It is clear from some of domesticated animals that are engraved on ancient Egyptian relics, or that have been preserved by means of embalming, that they are very similar to those that exist now; in fact there are hardly any differences at all.

      And there are many examples that come under this heading.

      -4-

      This theory cannot be proven through experimentation or observation. No human has ever observed even the slightest degree of evolution.

      At no time throughout history has humanity ever observed any living being transformed into another being through evolution, especially when there are specialised scientists who are watching for the slightest change in outward appearance or inward structure of those beings. See the book by the Australian Michael Denton.

      End quote from an article entitled Naqd Nazariyaat at-Tatawwur (Criticism of the Theory of Evolution) by Dr Muhammad Barbaab

      http://www.55a.net/firas/arabic/print_details.php?page=show_det&id=1366

      The article contains more information and a criticism of Neo-Darwinism. It also mentions discoveries from excavations that have thrown Neo-Darwinism into what is called the crisis of Neo-Darwinism, especially since this new theory insists that all kinds of plants and animals are subject to evolution, without exception.

      And Allah knows best.
      Source: Islamqa.com

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      1. clubschadenfreude

        Allah knows nothing since it is imaginary. And wow, nice to know that you have no idea what evolutionary theory actually says and you choose to lie about it. What a good Muslim you are. We’ve seen plenty of things transformed through the processes of evolution, but of course an ignorant Muslim will deny this, just like an ignorant Christian. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/evolution-watching-speciation-occur-observations/

        Your religion depends on ignorance and fear. What a pathetic religion.

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      2. themightofpen

        You called my religion pathetic. You called me liar.
        A great man once said, “If you see a man defending the Haqq (truth), and he hurls abuse, curses, and gets angry while doing that, then know that his intention has a defect, because the Truth doesn’t need all that.”

        I have a point brother who will be at greater loss more than me if I do spend all my life running after something that doesn’t even exist? What I am getting?
        Where is my greed here?
        Trust me I am a genuine seeker as it is the matter of MY life, not of somebody else.
        I also read somewhere, “those of us who aren’t professional scientists have to take a lot of science on trust.”
        With all due respect, I am not refuting evolution. It is just the matter of difference about our understanding of evolution.
        Anyways.
        No matter what I evidences I bring, you are not going to accept. And, I am not even going to do that.
        You and me both have same Lord even if you deny a million times.
        Peace be upon you.
        May our Lord guide us all.

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      3. clubschadenfreude

        Yep, I do both things and I stand by that. And most every religion makes the same claim as your “great man”. IT’s a great way to play pretend that people showing that you are wrong is “really” them showing that you are right. Christians say the same thing when Muslims claim that they are wrong, taking solace in making believe that people who don’t agree with them “support” their beliefs.

        Well, pen, people follow after lies all of the time. The Heaven’s Gate people were sure that their claim that aliens were going to pick them up was true to the point they cut off their penises and kills themselves. What you get? Supposedly not to die and magical presents in the afterlife. There is your greed.

        No one has to take science on faith. We trust it because it works aka we have evidence for it. No evidence for your version of your god. You are trying to refute evolutionary theory and you are failing.

        Well, pen, as soon as you can show your version of your god, then I might care about a baseless claim like ” You and me both have the same Lord even if you deny a million times”.

        This excuse of yours is typical “No matter what I evidences I bring, you are not going to accept. And, I am not even going to do that.” You make this up so you don’t have to have evidence. It’s easy to blame others when you know you have no evidence.

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      4. themightofpen

        I didn’t mention my ‘great man’ to prove anybody anything. I quoted him so that we both can be respectful and tolerant towards each other. Let’s keep our exchanges healthy to part our ways on good notes at the end.

        Haaa. “Soppossedly not to die and magical presents afterlife my greed”…My brother think rational what you just said.
        I am living a life that is very much PRESENT in front of me following commandments ‘DO THIS’, ‘DON’T DO THAT’ for a life that I have not even seen. On the contrary it is quite possible and rational to think that somebody is not believing in something that he has NOT SEEN because his instinct may be covered up by desires, hopes and greed, and the pursuit of materialistic things that are very much PRESENT in front of his eyes.
        Yes, I know that the idea of atheism appears somewhat glamorous because it is something that makes a person stand out and be different from other people. It is as if the one who embraces it is saying, “I am the only one who broke through the chains to which you are accustomed, and that you grew up believing and affirming.” However, realise brother, it really needs a lot of faith and truthfulness to yourself to believe in unseen. And, it is not illusion. This life in front of us, its universal realities, its mind boggling precision, design, processes, its minute details and its huge spread…everything points toward a GOD above us all.

        And, as you said ‘supposedly not to die’…rest assure I am going to die 😊, I know it for sure. However, as a theist I know that there will be resurrection. If HE was able to create me for the first time when I was nothing, HE can definitely do it again.

        For a moment if I assume that I die one day and find no hereafter I would have nothing to lose as I am nothing once I am dead. Now, just think about the other scenario…I die disbelieving in God and hereafter, and I die…and find a hereafter there. Who is at loss in that case? Just a thought!

        Regarding science…It is the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of this world through observation and experiment. It helps us understand ‘how’ the things are working around us. By no means they contradict God. In fact, they make us fall in awe at the wonderful creation of God. The very science you are talking about is the evidence of God.

        Will you say that ‘Oh. Nobody Created Telephone. It is the sound waves that strike the diaphragm and make it vibrate, and then electric current carries the sound that travels over a telephone wire to the receiver of another telephone, then causes the diaphragm to vibrate according to the speaker’s speech pattern causing pressure on the air sets up sound waves that are the same as the ones sent into the transmitter. The sound waves strike the ear of the listener and he hears the words of the speaker’?
        That’s how it works. But it is created and then it underwent changes & modifications with time as per need.
        And, it holds true everything around us. Science is helping us to understand this wonderful universe better.

        Have a Good Day 🙂

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      5. clubschadenfreude

        Sorry, respect is earned. And I am not tolerant toward harmful nonsense.

        Yes, you are living for your afterlife.

        No, atheism isn’t glamorous since theists often try to harm us. Ignorant Muslims have hacked to death atheists. I came the conclusion that there are no gods thanks to the evidence. It needs no faith to realize that no god invented by humans exists, since these gods are failures and need humans to invent excuses on why they fail. Your god is no more the creator than any other religion’s god that you doubt. IF the universe is created by a god, then this god is incompetent since the universe is vastly inimical to human life.

        Yep, you are going to die and then you believe you’ll live in some magic place. Again, always nice to have a promise that no one can show false. You offer Pascal’s wager, which assumes you have the only correct god. You can’t show that so the wager fails. You also can’t show that you haven’t wasted resources in your worship.

        That’s a pretty good definition of science. It has shown that the qu’ran and other holy books make false claims. That indicates that there is no reason to believe them, thus those holy books are evidence against any perfect god you might claim exists.

        Well, since people have created a telephone and I can show that, your analogy is pretty silly. You’ve yet to show your god created the smallest thing. And why would a perfect god need time and changes?

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      6. themightofpen

        I am Sorry, Lady. I was neither harsh nor noxious for you even in slightest. Even then if you felt so, I apologise.
        I went through your journey to atheism in your blog and what I found was that you were appalled by your fellows there.
        Yes, I also feel disgusted when I see many of my fellow Muslims doing things in the name of Islam. However, it is not a fair reason to disapprove my faith. Every time I feel disheartened seeing the things around, I come back to Qur’an and fall in love with my Deen even more. And, it gives me a sense of responsibility to do whatever in my little capacity if I could bring a certain things in light. I am not here to win any argument. I am just doing my bit to put my perspective. Can’t we have a healthy discussion without turning bitter?

        I really wonder if atheist don’t do mistakes. Are they immaculate?
        You say that theists often try to harm you. Are not theists quite often harmed by atheists? The blame game won’t go anywhere.
        Anyways…
        (pls refer to next comment)

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      7. themightofpen

        Almighty God is perfect, without any doubt. Yet his actions cannot be fully comprehended by our incompetent minds. Things are good and bad to serve some purpose.
        Your thought that why a Perfect God created universe vastly inimical to human life is similar to the question ‘If every creation of Allah is perfect, then what about human beings and other creatures (not so beautiful & smart ones) who are imperfect?
        Yes indeed, Allah, may He be exalted, has the power to do all things. He has created the angels in the best, most perfect and most beautiful of forms, so we cannot ask: Why didn’t Allah create all creatures in the form of angels? Because this is contrary to the wisdom of Allah, may He be exalted. He has created every type of creature for a specific reason and to fulfil a specific purpose, according to His will. Therefore, He created every creature in the form that would fulfil that wisdom and purpose, and He created it well and made it good.

        The Perfect God also created sickness & poverty. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And We have made some of you as a trial for others: will you have patience? And your Lord is Ever All-Seer (of everything)” [al-Qur’an 25:20].

        Regarding Science, realise dear, there are always hypotheses, theories, arguments both the sides. Definitely, truth has to be one of them. However, we should avoid proving everything in this light only. Qur’an was not revealed concerning these matters which are subject to experimentation and which people study as part of their scientific quest. Having said that Science doesn’t contradict Quran. The error is in the understanding of the one who interpreted the Qur’aan in that manner.

        You find this analogy pretty silly. I must say you didn’t get it what I wanted to say through that or I simply failed to put it right. Nevertheless, God doesn’t need time and changes. There is no ‘time’ quotient in the hereafter as the scriptures tell us.
        Dear Lady, your last question is really very interesting ‘if God created the smallest thing’…It reminds me of a verse in Qur’an, I will quote that…
        (O mankind! A similitude has been coined, so listen to it (carefully): Verily those on whom you call besides Allâh, cannot create (even) a fly, even though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly snatches away a thing from them, they will have no power to release it from the fly. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought) [chapter Al-Hajj, verse: 73]

        You can do your research on the DNA that exists in the fly that is considered to be the best sample to imitate…why scientist couldn’t even create this DNA molecule capable of proliferation as in living cells, let alone the idea of producing a full cell.
        Or, just tell me why can’t we produce a living cell.
        Please tell me from where came the first ever living cell.

        There is no god but God.

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  3. clubschadenfreude

    “I am Sorry, Lady. I was neither harsh nor noxious for you even in slightest. Even then if you felt so, I apologise.
    I went through your journey to atheism in your blog and what I found was that you were appalled by your fellows there.
    Yes, I also feel disgusted when I see many of my fellow Muslims doing things in the name of Islam. However, it is not a fair reason to disapprove my faith. Every time I feel disheartened seeing the things around, I come back to Qur’an and fall in love with my Deen even more. And, it gives me a sense of responsibility to do whatever in my little capacity if I could bring a certain things in light. I am not here to win any argument. I am just doing my bit to put my perspective. Can’t we have a healthy discussion without turning bitter?

    I really wonder if atheist don’t do mistakes. Are they immaculate?
    You say that theists often try to harm you. Are not theists quite often harmed by atheists? The blame game won’t go anywhere.
    Anyways…
    (pls refer to next comment)”

    No one said that atheists dont’ make mistakes. But thanks for showing that you are willing to lie about things like that. So much for not “turning bitter”.

    And exactly how does atheism harm theists? My lack of belief in your god does nothing to you. But we have Muslims, Christians, etc trying to force the laws they claim they get from their gods on others. They kill others who don’t believe as they do and their holy books say this is perfectly fine with this god. Your faith leads to these actions so your attempt to claim your faith unaccountable is false.

    “Yet his actions cannot be fully comprehended by our incompetent minds. ”

    Or there is no god to be understood and like other humans, you’ve made up a god to convince yourself you are special.

    “And We have made some of you as a trial for others: will you have patience? And your Lord is Ever All-Seer (of everything)” [al-Qur’an 25:20].”

    Yep, again, no free will.

    “Having said that Science doesn’t contradict Quran. The error is in the understanding of the one who interpreted the Qur’aan in that manner.

    aka blaming someone who doesn’t agree with you and assuming that your version is the only right one.

    “You can do your research on the DNA that exists in the fly that is considered to be the best sample to imitate…why scientist couldn’t even create this DNA molecule capable of proliferation as in living cells, let alone the idea of producing a full cell.
    Or, just tell me why can’t we produce a living cell.
    Please tell me from where came the first ever living cell.”

    We can’t yet. We may never be able to. Still no evidence for your god. Your faith depends on hoping no one ever shows you wrong. We’ve already shown that it isn’t gods that cause disease and illness from their wrath. We’ve shown that these gods are powerless.

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